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January 14, 2018

Post Offices

Obviously, having a post office was vital to new settlers coming into an area, so typically as soon as there were about a dozen households in an area that was inconveniently distant from an existing post office, they'd apply to the Post Office Department (it didn't become the Postal Service until 1970) for establishment of a new one. Because people coming to pick up their mail were potential customers, a grocer or tavern keeper would generally be delighted to perform the necessary duties, and would make the application with himself as potential postmaster of the new office.
The application included information about the exact location of the new office, the number of people to be served, its relation to existing rail lines and navigable waterways as well as its location on or near an existing mail route, the nearest existing post offices, etc. In general, a new office needed to be two miles or more from an existing one, but there were exceptions. No population minimum was specified, and the Post Office Department tended to be liberal in establishing new offices.
A name would also be proposed for the new office, which might be rejected if too similar to an existing office in the same state, and that led to all sorts of placename curiosities. One of my favorites is Elburn, Illinois, which first applied to be Melbourne—but was obliged to lop off some letters when an existing Illinois office turned out to already have that name. The local newspaper's masthead still notes that it's "the only Elburn in the world."
The process for establishing a new post office is explained in this 1893 book and, in fact, remains much the same today.

Highways, Traffic, Sides of Road

The interstates were not the first superhighways; by the time a nationwide system was under construction, superhighways in many urban areas had been in use for 30 years. Even in rural areas, several divided, grade-separated sections had been built as interim improvements on many cross-country routes. When the 1956 highway act finally funded construction of the Interstate System (which Congress had technically created a decade earlier), about 1.5 percent of "federal-aid" and toll highway mileage was already to superhighway standard; today—though the statistics are not strictly comparable—about 19 percent is.
The concept of a limited-access, grade-separated, multilane facility was demonstrated in the 1930s with short urban stretches in and near New York City and Chicago's Lake Shore Drive. Several similar facilities were in place around the country by 1940, when the Pennsylvania Turnpike demonstrated the demand for cross-country superhighways as well. World War II slowed building quite a bit, except for projects like the Willow Run Expressway near Detroit that were useful for new defense plants.
After the war, the states and big cities were anxious to get their planned superhighways under way. Cities like New York, Chicago, and LA cobbled together what state and local funding they could assemble to begin construction of projects like Chicago’s Congress Superhighway, or LA's Hollywood and Long Beach Freeways. Looking to the Pennsylvania Turnpike as an example, many states turned to toll financing for corridors where traffic projections were high enough, resulting in the turnpikes of the Eastern Seaboard and industrial Midwest. Nearly all of these got Interstate numbers and became part of the network.
As for what the highway network looked like in 1955, after decades of slow but steady improvement, it was mostly (but not entirely) paved, and most U.S. highways were two-lane roads with shoulders. Lane widths were often only nine feet, though, not the 11-14 feet typical today on high-traffic two-lane highways. Some had three-lane sections, with “suicide lanes” in the center for passing. Many geometric aspects—sightlines, guardrails, median protection, intersections—were quite substandard compared to today. Most state highway systems were similar but even less developed; several states had stretches of unpaved roads on their state networks well into the 1960s.
I like Earl Swift’s The Big Roads as the most readable history of the Interstates, but Mark Rose's Interstate: Express Highway Politics 1939-1989 is the more scholarly source on the congressional machinations that led to the 1956 law.
In North America, the task of keeping out of the ditch or swamp was more important early on than the task of avoiding other vehicles. The definitive reference work on this subject is Peter Kincaid's 1986 book The Rule of the Road: An International Guide to History and Practice.
Writes Kincaid: "In summary, different types of transport, all used by right-handed people, tended to produce different rules of the road. Armed walkers and armed horsemen tended to keep left to leave their swordarms free. Horse riders kept left in any case because they mounted from the left and stayed near the edge where it was easier and safer to mount and dismount than in the middle of the road. People leading horses with their right hands tended to keep right because the led horse was then protected from passing traffic. Carters tended to keep right because they walked on the left side of their horses, leading with the right hand, and by keeping right could walk in the middle of the road...to avoid collisions. Postilion riders tended to keep right because they sat on the left-rear horse and thus could better judge clearances....Drivers who sat on the vehicle kept left because they sat on the right to keep their whip hands free and could judge clearances better when passing if they kept left." Kincaid describes other contributing factors such as conformance with neighbors (undoubtedly the reason for Canada), influence of colonization, national unity, imported vehicles, etc. Although we tend to think of a keep-left rule requiring right-hand controls, and vice versa, he points out a number of instances where curbside controls have been preferred to centerline controls.
As of 1986, he counted 118 "independent territories" with right-hand traffic and 51 with left-hand, adding: "The above figures show what a minority rule left-hand traffic is today. Countries which use it account for only about a third of the world's population, a sixth of its area, a quarter of its roads, and a sixth of its motor vehicles." A number of countries have changed their rule of the road, including, since 1950: Cameroon, Belize, Ethiopia, Sweden, Bahrain, Iceland, Burma, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Ghana, and South Yemen. All these but Burma changed from left to right.
The American expert on this subject is Richard H. Hopper, whose article "Left-Right: Why Driving Rules Differ," appeared in Transportation Quarterly 36 (1982), pp. 541-548.

Long Distance Telephone

I guess the first thing to note is that in the early days of the industry, there were many hundreds of small, local telephone companies. Many, many of these quickly became part of the Bell System or competitors like General Telephone, but others stayed independent into the 1970s or later. So I’ll be speaking about general trends, and undoubtedly there were exceptions around the country.
Once the novelty of a single circuit connecting a plutocrat’s factory office with his home wore off, it became clear that the value was in the network effect: connecting a critical mass of a town’s businesses and consumers. So the business model was setting up an exchange, which allowed any phone to be connected to any other, and persuading homes and businesses to become subscribers. The burden of recordkeeping meant that nearly all these initially allowed unlimited numbers and extent of connections to others (no paying per call), though the supervision of human operators meant that someone keeping a line in use around the clock would be noticed and somehow discouraged. In some big cities, apparently pricing per thousand calls was available; I’m not sure what sort of automated recordkeeping would have allowed this approach. Monthly bills were mailed to subscribers. A delinquent subscriber would have his switchboard jack flagged, so that connections would be declined, or in the automatic era, shunted to a recording. In many cities, competing phone companies sprang up for a short period, without connections to the other, so businesses needed to have a phone from each company. This competition often originated with a new company that saw a business opportunity in using the new Strowger switching equipment to allow subscribers to dial their own calls, so it was common to see period advertisements showing that Gower's Pharmacy could be called at either Main 5661 or Automatic 8213. Pay phones existed almost from the beginning, though that initially meant paying a human to use a phone booth he was overseeing, much as found in European Internet cafes of the late 1990s.
Very quickly, telcos added links to adjacent towns, and true long-distance service was in place by the 1880s. The Long Lines Division was one of the innovations and strategic investments that helped the Bell System to become dominant in the industry. So far as I can tell, the value of direct links was realized early on, meaning that a call from Boston to New York didn’t “hop” via Providence and New Haven, though the nascent science of electronics was quickly employed in the 20th century in developing repeater amplifiers so that you didn’t have to shout so loudly. Long-distance calls were very expensive. A cross-country call in 1928 cost $9 (equivalent to $120 today). By 1975, a three-minute call was “only” $1.35 (equivalent to $6 today). That’s why you hear the line “but he’s calling long-distance” in old movies to emphasize the importance and urgency of the situation. Unlike in Europe, in the US the post office never was involved in telephony, so you wouldn’t go there to make a long-distance call. In the early decades, though, AT&T set up long-distance salons in big cities, and would collect you by taxi and bring you in if you had the money to make a long-distance telephone call.
The multiplicity of small companies across the country probably meant that a few telephones still weren’t on the national network even into the 1970s, but obviously nearly all companies saw the value in linking to the long distance trunk lines. Companies also made their own marketing decisions about local toll calls: typically adjacent towns and nearby suburbs were “local” calls with no additional fees, while those involving a different company or to an exurb would be a “toll call.” The Los Angeles area, divided up between Bell and General Telephone service territories, probably had the nation’s largest volume of local toll calling. The front pages of your telephone directory would tell you what exchanges you could call for free and which involved additional charges.
As for your Kansas farmer, chances are that he simply couldn’t get a phone until shortly before World War II, and possibly until the 1950s. It was uneconomic for the telco to run miles of wire for one subscriber—or even for eight sharing a party line. Cities could make universal service a condition of their franchise agreements with telcos, but those mechanisms often weren’t in place in rural areas. It was the New Deal Rural Electrification Administration that made loans and set up co-ops to extend both electric and phone lines to farmers. In the West, some remote ranches never got wires to town, and had to wait for the invention of radio links or cellular coverage in the 1990s to get connected.

Telegrams

Telegrams were delivered to the recipient's house or office (or hotel or even ship's cabin). Some sort of address was typically given by the sender, though in the case of a well-known building it might not be anything beyond the hotel or mansion's name. The messenger commonly asked if you wished to send a reply, and took that message back with him. In Britain, at least, apparently telegrams unlikely to prompt a reply sometimes had a code marked on the envelope.
For most ordinary people, getting a telegram was extremely rare. That's why it's a staple of movie storytelling for the soldier's wife to immediately know her husband has been killed when she sees the telegraph messenger out front.
To send a wire, you typically went to a telegraph office and wrote the message on a blank provided for that purpose, and paid for the service at that time. I think it was common for businesses and some private citizens to have accounts, so that they could simply have a messenger boy take the message to the telegraph office, and be billed later. In the 20th century, you could both call in a telegram, and have the charges put on your phone bill.

Town Planning

I think virtually all examples of cities having a single, known “founder” would refer to American cities—though a parallel history might well have played out in Australia. The typical way this would happen would be for an entrepreneur to gain control of a large amount of land that could be both productive farmland and included a harbor where a port city might thrive. Colonial-era examples would be the royal grants to William Penn, and what became Philadelphia; and to James Oglethorpe, and what became Savannah. Later in American history, similar stories would play out on navigable rivers like the Ohio or Missouri, and even some small rivers of Texas or New Mexico that were more important as water sources than ports.
The pivotal event is the platting of a townsite: filing a public legal document called a plat that makes the sale of small houselots much more convenient, by allowing them to be designated by block and lot number rather than with the metes and bounds (or Public Land Survey System aliquot) descriptions that are used for larger farms or woodlots. Since houselots generally must have access to a public road, platting also occasioned the laying out (and usually the naming) of streets.
The 19th century in America saw many hundreds of entrepreneurs who were convinced that their town, on their land, was destined to be the next great commercial city of the world, and the American landscape is littered with paper towns where few or no houselots were ever sold, no street improvements survived the first winter, and a cartographer eventually excised the name from the map. Some never came off the map, and can be found in the GNIS database, meaning they sometimes pop up on computer-generated maps like MapQuest, Google, or Bing. Some modern cities, like Denver or Dallas, encompass two or even three such townsites that were established in close proximity to each other.
By the mid-19th century, in the Plains and Mountain states, railroads were the primary force behind town creation. They’d establish a town every few miles, on land they’d been granted as inducement to build the line, selling houselots for immediate cash and anticipating future business from mills and stores that would be established there. What was built first? Typically the railroad depot, and a modest “hotel” with a tavern, where potential settlers could stay a few days to look over the town's site and its situation.
These railroad towns were platted by the dozens, usually by clerks and draftsmen who’d never laid eyes on the terrain, and often featured gridirons of streets that improbably crossed arroyos or extended up the sides of cliffs. Names were chosen by contest, or by whim, or to honor railroad officials and their wives. I’ve always been charmed by the series of towns the Chicago Burlington & Quincy established in alphabetic order at 12-mile intervals in Nebraska as if they were throwing them from the rear of a moving train: Crete, Dorchester, Exeter, Fairmont, Grafton, Harvard, Inland, Juniata. The Canadian Pacific did similar alphabetic sequences in Canada’s Prairie Provinces.
The founding of towns didn’t end with the settlement of the frontier. As modern cities grew, farmland near them often became attractive for bedroom suburbs or industrial satellite cities. Some conversions were small “additions” to the existing city, while others were more ambitious, planned from the beginning as independent places. This was big business by the 1920s, and “land and improvement” companies established a number of independent, planned suburban towns around growing cities like Chicago and Los Angeles, and all along the Florida coasts.
Several books by John W. Reps, notably The Making of Urban America: A History of City Planning in the United States,give more insight into the process of town platting.

Metric

Lyn Nofziger, as adviser to the recently elected President Reagan, was opposed to metrication and saw that the government commission promoting it was eliminated in the Reagan budget cuts. Journalist—and adviser to several Democratic officials—Frank Mankiewicz wrote in Nofziger's obituary:

"in 1981, when I reminded him that a commission actually existed to further the adoption of the metric system and the damage we both felt this could wreak on our country, Lyn went to work with material provided by each of us. He was able, he told me, to prevail on the president to dissolve the commission and make sure that, at least in the Reagan presidency, there would be no further effort to sell metric.”

Though officially a budgetary move, the backlash against metric was very much in line with the cultural and political currents that had dismissed Jimmy Carter as not being a true believer in American Exceptionalism, and brought Reagan to the presidency.

As to metric being a "no-brainer," the metric system took almost 50 years to catch on in France. People have always resisted imposition of new weights and measures by government authorities. Though metric has great advantages in decimal calculation, that's not the only criterion by which to judge utility. The ease of halving and quartering measurements in traditional systems shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Andros Linklater's book Measuring Americahas a fascinating account of the historic tension between folks who need to easily divide by 10 and those who more commonly divide by 4. I'd suggest that a lot more everyday household calculations are dividing by 4 than by 10.

Pay Phone

A pay phone sent a series of tones when a coin was inserted to let the equipment at the phone company know that a coin and what kind of coin had been inserted.

Back in the day, phreaking was a common way to steal payphone service by faking those tones.

Maybe my sample set is skewed, because I knew a lot of people in the telcom industry. In high school a modified radio shack speed dialer was often used to access the payphone on campus or at the mall for free. The captain crunch whistle pre-dates me, so I don't know how common that was. By the time I learned about blue and black boxes they didn't work.

YouTube surprisingly has a video on the radio shack dialer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXZMgHKhefk

My roommate in college did a lot of hacked conf calls, wasn't my thing. Most were exactly how you'd imagine a phone call with a bunch of anonymous weirdos would be. Several people talking at once, all trying to say outrageous things.

Prior to about 1970, pay phones had actual bells in them that inserted coins struck on their way to the coin box. When the initial period (often three minutes) was up, the operator would ask you for more money and listen to the different bells to hear what coins you'd deposited.

Modern pay phones, including all the ones with Touch-Tone pads, had tone generators instead of actual bells. Those tones—which were different from the ones generated by Touch-Tone pads or in-band signaling keypads—could be interpreted by a central office computer as well as a human operator. The red box was a way of stealing service by emulating the tones without depositing any coins.

Is Phreaking Dead?

Evolved. It's simply moved form wires to airwaves. POTS is being replaced with IP technologies, which is the natural scheme of things. Wired or wireless, it's all going to be some form of IP. This is why any modern phreaker needs to get into wireless and network technologies.
Once cellular phones were considered essential and not just a status symbol or lifestyle device, then fiber optics and 4g radios replaced DSL and cable lines, POTS was doomed. The queen is dead, long live the queen...
As for the toolset. I used to get by with a minimalist toolset when I was still a teenager in the 90s. It was a modified conair telephone converted into a lineman's handset/tone dialer. Basic shit. Now, you need various radios and receiving equipment. Hacked phones can suffice, but this requires software programming expertise or much more advanced electronics skills than what we needed nearly 30 years ago.
This is where it evolved....we went past sticks and rocks and now have to forge our own tools. The old savages are making way for the new craftsmen.

January 7, 2018

xfinity: "We've increased your internet speed for no extra cost*"

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Muffinz0rz 2 days ago#1
*denotes a lie

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Image 1: Email from this morning saying I got increased speeds for no additional charge.

Image 2: Example of last month's bill at $50.74. 

Image 3: Next bill due costs $60.74.

Pieces of shit
Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010)
FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED.
They didn't do that for me.
Cookie Bag 2 days ago#3
Well, you have proof, time to do something about it i guess.
They probably will claim the price increase is from fees and taxes that the government is not actually collecting from you but allows them to pay themselves back for having to pay to the government.
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Ex-Kefiroth 2 days ago#5
9% increase in internet speed

20% increase in internet bill.
sharp.
distance.
That's why when they call with that offer I always tell them to fuck off
Axiom 2 days ago#7
It begins
GOOMFalse 2 days ago#8
First month of new speed free

New rate next billing cycle

Worship the telecom cock
I'm your huckleberry.
Paragon21XX 2 days ago#9
Exactly $10 price increase? Read your bill and make sure they didn't add a line item to the bill that wasn't there before.
Hmm...
Solid Sonic 2 days ago#10
Ah Comcast. Always fighting the good fight...for yourselves.
The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili.
Were_Wyrm  awake to mic2 days ago#11
There you go now that NN is gone you got faster internet!
I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom
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Muffinz0rz 2 days ago#12
Paragon21XX posted...
Exactly $10 price increase? Read your bill and make sure they didn't add a line item to the bill that wasn't there before.

I did. Nothing new.

How is this topic not generating more outrage
Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010)
FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED.
Muffinz0rz posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
Exactly $10 price increase? Read your bill and make sure they didn't add a line item to the bill that wasn't there before.

I did. Nothing new.

How is this topic not generating more outrage

Because free market man. Republicans said this wouldn’t happen.
MrDrMan 2 days ago#14
Muffinz0rz posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
Exactly $10 price increase? Read your bill and make sure they didn't add a line item to the bill that wasn't there before.

I did. Nothing new.

How is this topic not generating more outrage


Because you have everything you need to correct the issue. Go to xfinity with the evidence and I guarantee this gets fixed.
Pimpin aint easy
Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby
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Axiom 2 days ago#15
MrDrMan posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
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I did. Nothing new.

How is this topic not generating more outrage


Because you have everything you need to correct the issue. Go to xfinity with the evidence and I guarantee this gets fixed.

xfinity when he goes to complain

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They like to fuck with you. I never get warnings about price increases.

I started off at $50/mo for one year, the next year it went up to $65, 6 months after it was $75, and then at the two year mark it was $230. I cancelled immediately. It solely for internet too. 150mbps or some jank.
"All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana
Master_Bass 2 days ago#17
Yeah, I read on reddit they started doing that to people a few weeks ago. I really hate Comcast.
Many Bothans died to bring you this post.
Solid Sonic 2 days ago#18
Master_Bass posted...
Yeah, I read on reddit they started doing that to people a few weeks ago. I really hate Comcast.

I wish more people did.

Though they were the first multiple-time winner of The Consummerist’s Worst Company in America.
The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili.
Siaperaz 2 days ago#19
I am here to bet that TC is hiding something.
GO KNICKS!!!
DemonBuffet 2 days ago#20
This is why Comcast and ATT should be heavily fined for bullying smaller internet companies. 
They should not be the only 2 ISP in most places.
Trololol
Muffinz0rz 2 days ago#21
Dude I'm not racist or anything but is there a law that every customer service helper speak with a thick Indian accent?
Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010)
FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED.
Muffinz0rz posted...
Dude I'm not racist or anything but is there a law that every customer service helper speak with a thick Indian accent?


The call center is most likely in India
I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen...
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I have cable vision/optimum and while they're also trash, they wouldn't do that to me
Axiom 2 days ago#24
Muffinz0rz posted...
Dude I'm not racist or anything but is there a law that every customer service helper speak with a thick Indian accent?

Outsourcing is cheaper. That indian guy is talking to you straight from India
Scumdrop 1 day ago#25
back in my day people would gather evidence like this to fix the issue, not whine about it on gamefaqs or reddit. 
i say reddit because this happened there like two weeks ago, the dude took the information to them and they corrected it. it's sly as fuck, absolutely, but that isn't exactly breaking news for murican ISPs.
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DeanAuryn 1 day ago#26
I pay £30 a month ($68) for all day calls to landlines and mobiles, and 80 Mbs internet with unlimited browsing. I thought I was getting ripped off but jeez the prices in America are ridiculous.
I love beautiful women.
Scumdrop posted...
back in my day people would gather evidence like this to fix the issue, not whine about it on gamefaqs or reddit. 
i say reddit because this happened there like two weeks ago, the dude took the information to them and they corrected it. it's sly as fuck, absolutely, but that isn't exactly breaking news for murican ISPs.


.....TC already gathered the evidence
Muffinz0rz 1 day ago#28
Got off the phone with customer service. She tried to sell me a fucking different plan with TV in it (which I obviously had zero interest in) that actually would've increased my monthly.

7A0obKC

What a crock. How is this shit legal????? I was literally lied to.

inb4ComcastReservesTheRightToChangeAnythingWeFeelLikeAndYouSignedOffOnThat
Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010)
FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED.
MrDrMan 1 day ago#29
Muffinz0rz posted...
Got off the phone with customer service. She tried to sell me a fucking different plan with TV in it (which I obviously had zero interest in) that actually would've increased my monthly.

7A0obKC

What a crock. How is this shit legal????? I was literally lied to.

inb4ComcastReservesTheRightToChangeAnythingWeFeelLikeAndYouSignedOffOnThat


Supervisor my guy. Call back and immediately ask for a supervisor. They will make sure it gets fixed simply because they don’t want to deal with you. Their goal is to keep falls short as possible so they will give you what you want I’d wager.
Pimpin aint easy
Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby
Why are you being charged a broadcast TV fee?
"All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana
Muffinz0rz 1 day ago#31
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Why are you being charged a broadcast TV fee?

I'm not, that's not my current plan. That's the plan she wanted me to sign up for. My current plan is just internet for $50/mo (now $60/mo, I guess)
Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010)
FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED.
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
9% increase in internet speed

20% increase in internet bill.

i can smell the swamp draining
ISPs and phone companies tend to do outright illegal shit.

Like how Verizon said they would throw in an extra wireless speaker if my dad bought one, and on his bill he had an unexplained charge that amounted to the exact price of a second speaker.

Apparently Verizon employees are straight up told to do stuff like this.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/Cable-Bills-Are-Rising-Again-What-You-Can-Do-468115773.html
I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Why are you being charged a broadcast TV fee?

I'm not, that's not my current plan. That's the plan she wanted me to sign up for. My current plan is just internet for $50/mo (now $60/mo, I guess)


O, well if you can find a modem, thats not too bad. I got mine second hand for $20
"All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
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I did. Nothing new.

How is this topic not generating more outrage

Because free market man. Republicans said this wouldn’t happen.


Literally happens all the time. Cry more
Waaaah.
MrDrMan 1 day ago#37
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ISPs and phone companies tend to do outright illegal shit.

Like how Verizon said they would throw in an extra wireless speaker if my dad bought one, and on his bill he had an unexplained charge that amounted to the exact price of a second speaker.

Apparently Verizon employees are straight up told to do stuff like this.


This. I worked at Sprint and we are told to do this. The goal is to do it in a way people don’t realize it isn’t free.

For example let’s say you come in looking at possibly changing plans. There are a bunch of old plans that are way more expensive than new ones. The new plans are flexible and you can choose based on how much data you need which can dramatically lower a bill possibly. 

We also had the power to do installment billing or spread costs of accessories into 12 payments on bills. Basically people would put you on a cheaper plan then bundle in those installment payments so the bill is almost the same.

What people don’t understand is cellular retail employees are not your friend whatsoever. Our bosses preached to us it’s not our job to lower someone’s bill. It’s our job to give them a better “value” at this price AKA more shit they don’t need. Our quotas were based on selling lines of service and accessories and shit got REALLY grimy. 

I had to get out. It’s a shady and very deceptive industry.
Pimpin aint easy
Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby
Ricemills 1 day ago#38
so the Net Neutrality not a boogeyman after all.
where's the people who supported it's repeal now?
You have the right to remain silent, anything you post will be misquoted, then used against you.
Thrillwell 1 day ago#39
Dunno man, got the same email today, but my speed went from 100mbps to 150mbps and after reboot I'm getting 180 lol

My bill is the same, no increase.
I have to return some video tapes.
epik_fail1 1 day ago#40
Ricemills posted...
so the Net Neutrality not a boogeyman after all.
where's the people who supported it's repeal now?


wtf? Their was people supporting that?
Losing an argument? Ends it with but...but...Hillary and her emails!
Ricemills 1 day ago#41
epik_fail1 posted...
Ricemills posted...
so the Net Neutrality not a boogeyman after all.
where's the people who supported it's repeal now?


wtf? Their was people supporting that?


are you absent from CE during the last 2 months or what?
You have the right to remain silent, anything you post will be misquoted, then used against you.
Thrillwell 1 day ago#42
WvbDuKd
I have to return some video tapes.
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Thrillwell 1 day ago#43
Last payment: 12/04 $151.66
Next scheduled payment: 01/08 $151.66

From my bank site, same same.
I have to return some video tapes.
epik_fail1 1 day ago#44
Ricemills posted...
epik_fail1 posted...
Ricemills posted...
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wtf? Their was people supporting that?


are you absent from CE during the last 2 months or what?


kind of. I quickly looked at the board once in a while, but now I have a good job, so I am more busy.
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watch tc complain and not do anything about it lol
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epik_fail1 1 day ago#46
Scotty_Rogers posted...
watch tc complain and not do anything about it lol


Voting for a non-Trump person is probably the best he can do.

Trying to call the company too.
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Got off the phone with customer service. She tried to sell me a fucking different plan with TV in it (which I obviously had zero interest in) that actually would've increased my monthly.


Okay, so you tell her no to that and say you just want the erroneous billing for your current plan fixed. Did you do that? You should be able to get the price back to what you were paying before.
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Muffinz0rz 1 day ago#48
Scotty_Rogers posted...
watch tc complain and not do anything about it lol

You obviously didn't read the topic because I did do something about it.

The Admiral posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Got off the phone with customer service. She tried to sell me a fucking different plan with TV in it (which I obviously had zero interest in) that actually would've increased my monthly.


Okay, so you tell her no to that and say you just want the erroneous billing for your current plan fixed. Did you do that? You should be able to get the price back to what you were paying before.

I did. She wouldn't lower the price. Claimed she didn't have the authority to do so. Said it went up because of how service charges increase over time or some corporate bullshit that I could barely understand because call centers in India.

I'm calling back now because I just found this:

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Funny how she didn't tell me the plan on the left existed. Same speed, but lmao that puts me at the same price I was at before (add $10/mo for the modem rental to put it at 49.99, then tax should put me well below $60+/mo that they want me to pay now, or that the one from yesterday (the plan on the right) wanted me to change to.
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VoightKent 1 day ago#49
Muffinz0rz posted...


what's ur internet speed? I have 60 mbps but have to pay 65 bucks
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Muffinz0rz 1 day ago#50
VoightKent posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...

what's ur internet speed? I have 60 mbps but have to pay 65 bucks

Just got bumped from 55 to 60.

But yeah I just got it fixed. Called again today and spoke with someone with a much easier accent to understand. He transferred me to the "loyalty" department (?) and spoke with someone who got me back down to my normal rate.
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    CensorErik 1 day ago#51
    Muffinz0rz posted...
    VoightKent posted...
    Muffinz0rz posted...

    what's ur internet speed? I have 60 mbps but have to pay 65 bucks

    Just got bumped from 55 to 60.

    But yeah I just got it fixed. Called again today and spoke with someone with a much easier accent to understand. He transferred me to the "loyalty" department (?) and spoke with someone who got me back down to my normal rate.

    *awaits 'loyalty club' entry fee of $10 /month*
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    Banjo2553 1 day ago#52
    Fuck Comcast, they try to charge me for modem rental every year when I bought my own. If I had options I'd switch.
    Muffinz0rz 1 day ago#53
    CensorErik posted...
    Muffinz0rz posted...
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    Just got bumped from 55 to 60.

    But yeah I just got it fixed. Called again today and spoke with someone with a much easier accent to understand. He transferred me to the "loyalty" department (?) and spoke with someone who got me back down to my normal rate.

    *awaits 'loyalty club' entry fee of $10 /month*

    Lol

    She said it might not reflect on my upcoming bill though so if I end up paying 60 this month, I will get a "service credit" of $10 on my following bill, which is annoying because hey now that's another thing I have to look out for and call back if it's not there
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    inTaCtfuL 17 hours ago#54
    I hope they don't do this shit to me.

    Spectrum was sending out flyers here about how they're gonna double our speeds from 100 to 200 for no extra cost. This was around the 28th of December, still haven't gotten the new bill. will get it in about a week.

    I pay around 118 a month for internet/phone/tv
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    Medussa 17 hours ago#55
    Banjo2553 posted...
    Fuck Comcast, they try to charge me for modem rental every year when I bought my own. If I had options I'd switch.


    the first time I installed Comcast, I was told the fee for using my own modem was essentially the same as their rental charge.

    the second time I installed Comcast, I was flat out told I wasn't allowed to use my own at all, and they still charged the rental fee.
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    Prestoff 17 hours ago#56
    Dayum some of you guys are getting better deals than me. My internet speed is 20mbps from Time Warner Spectrum and I have to pay $110's for it because the only way they would sell it to me at that speed was if I bought it with tv and a phone line package. Otherwise it's $25's for 6mbps internet.
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    SK8T3R215 17 hours ago#57
    Well my internet is $X amount for the first year, then it increases to $Y the next year, which is also stated in the agreement you sign when you get service.

    So did you check your original agreement and see it wasn't because of that? 

    Also when mine increased I called and asked about it and they were able to apply a current promo which brought me back to the first year rate for the upcoming year.
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    Gamer99z 17 hours ago#58
    Prestoff posted...
    Dayum some of you guys are getting better deals than me. My internet speed is 20mbps from Time Warner Spectrum and I have to pay $110's for it because the only way they would sell it to me at that speed was if I bought it with tv and a phone line package. Otherwise it's $25's for 6mbps internet.

    It all depends on what's available in your area. It varies widely due to shitty monopolies and duopolies that aren't regulated properly.
    I used to only be able to get 10mbps as the highest plan available for like $100 once you included taxes and the forced modem rental. It also had a 60gb cap that wasn't enforced though. Then a bigger company bought them and I'm getting 150mbps for about $80 but it always tests as like 40mbps and it has a strictly enforced 300gb cap which sucks.
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    SK8T3R215 17 hours ago#59
    Also why are you renting a modem that's the dumbest thing people do. Just buy one yourself and you save $10 a month and it will pay for itself in no time.
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    TheoryzC 17 hours ago#60
    Muffinz0rz 4 hours ago#61
    TheoryzC posted...
    https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Hikes-Prices-Increases-Sneaky-Fees-for-2018-140907

    https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Fired-500-Employees-Right-Before-Christmas-141001

    Ayy

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